Posts by Anony Mous

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Russia's War on JWs and other Cults Intensifies.

by Lost in the fog in

what this guy publicises many russians will believe is solid truth.. i wouldn't want to be a jw in the former ussr countries these days.. https://bitterwinter.org/russia-sensational-revelations-jehovahs-witnesses-prepare-an-anti-putin-coup/.

Anony Mous

I’d take anything from that JW/JW apologist blog with a huge bag of salt. Most of the analysis is not incorrect though, they did go underground, they continue receiving directions from the US, and they did move to covert channels. They do attract the dispossessed, anti-government type and pedophiles into their midst with the messaging.

All-in-all they do operate like a terrorist cell, it wouldn’t surprise me that at least some of the congregations in such situation have been infiltrated by eg CIA operatives and planning on some anti-government activity.

Note too that there is a translational gap, anti-government/terrorist activity in Russia includes the messages about Armageddon they’re spreading to which they are terrorizing their believers and children with, which is the reason they were convicted under Russian law. It is a cultural/translational difference where in the west we’ve been accustomed to various religious and thus take that messaging not too seriously, Russians will take any religious messaging pretty serious since the Eastern Orthodox eschatology doesn’t shy away from it either, they have rather graphic descriptions of the end of times as well, so any religious group that comes by and says, yeah, we “know” it will be “soon” and here is a picture of what it looks like, is basically playing into life-long religious fears.

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The Korah Story Composition

by peacefulpete in

a perennial favorite of the wt, and other hierarchal churches, is the infamous korah rebellion tale of numbers 16. the story has been a subject of debate for many many years.

how did korah die?

did his family?

Anony Mous

We do know that until the Renaissance, most stories were not written as a statement of fact, but a narrative as to what happened and what future generations should now. The few facts we have on the period is from trade documents that merely indicate numbers for commercial purposes and a few laws/edicts. Almost everything else should be taken with a huge grain of salt, if not taken as a moral story. That includes things like Jesus and even ‘historians’ of the Roman period like Josephus that had a political motivation and a big slant in favor of his benefactors to write what he wrote. Beyond that, you also had editors and forgers that needed to shape stories for personal, religious or national benefit.

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The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

by smiddy3 in

the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

coming into existence without a designer ?.

Anony Mous

I like how SeaBreeze’s logic works: millions of people believed in something, therefore it must be true. The JWs are 7-14M people that believe in the octopope, 14M Mormons think their underwear has magical properties, that’s more people than there were living in the Levant in the first century.

As far as the energy in the Universe: it has been calculated to be 0, therefore the Universe doesn’t exist or at least mathematically balances out, without a god. If you want to make the Universe into a god of the gaps of sorts, fine, but you can’t claim it is benevolent or cares, because that is contradictory.

As far as the claims of evolution vs design earlier: design would imply proper engineering. Evolution is where you get to a point that something is good enough, it’s poorly constructed but the majority of species don’t die due to the design flaws, only some, or evolution eventually comes up with a solution, reproduce more/faster. Millions of fish are ‘born’ every second, yet the majority of them die, survival of the species depends on continuous reproduction. Why would a god design something that will die before it even realizes it’s purpose.

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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

by waton in

for what it is worth to those interested.

1914.. tel-aviv university.

"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

Anony Mous

There are many ways to calibrate the timeline of Jerusalem. We have the power to simulate the positions of the sun and stars at that time and guess what Babylonians were really good at, recording the position of heavenly bodies whenever something important happened. We also have contemporary accounts from various sources that can be dated by following the lineages of people.

The date of 607 by the WTBTS is only reached by divining/Kabbalah from 1914 (the tail wagging the dog), and then adapting the rest of the timeline to agree with the preconceived notion that 1914 was the beginning of time. You can say 607BCE or even 2000BCE or 1914CE only if you create your own calendar.

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What decade or era in human history do you like the most or would have liked to live during?

by Fisherman in

in the us, the 60s and 70s was a great time to be alive except for getting drafted if you wanted to be that age.

they were music years, greatest movies, fun, simpler and enjoyable days—also except for the d&ugs.

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Anony Mous

It depends, do I have my current absolute wealth or will I get my current relative wealth, or will I get just a random (or average) livelihood for the era. Also, where will I be located, in my home country, the US or again, ‘the average’ which would be a 3rd world country in Asia or Africa.

JP Morgan, the richest man on earth at the turn of the century was worth just $80M. Ben Franklin, the richest person in his day was worth $350k. If you have an average family home and pay it off, you are going to be wealthier than Benjamin Franklin, many business people today are wealthier than JP Morgan.

People looking for the 70s, the kids in minivans were the wealthy ones, the ones driving around in minivans and protesting, they had wealthy parents that kept them in college, supplied with money and out of jail, the average kid of the time they were drafted had been working full-time in a factory or farm for several years.

People complain about food insecurity if a family has to eat hot dogs more than once a week or live more than 5 miles from a grocery store (literally the definition of ‘hunger’ in the US) or relying on a food bank. In the socialist utopia I grew up in, food insecurity meant having no food from any source, not from the government, not from the store or a food bank, and I’m not that old (at least that’s what I keep telling myself). I would’ve killed for a computer and a phone line, now pocket computers (cell phones) are a basic social service, given away with the welfare check. We were told about places where hunger is worse, Ethiopia and other places had pictures of thousands of children literally starving to death, skin over bones, few people in Africa starve in that way, Africa is now on the forefront of mobile and crypto payments (your average African mother has used Bitcoin on her phone at least once daily). And that’s just 30-40 years of improvements to the ‘average’ life.

Yes, I would love to time travel briefly with my current tools, knowledge and wealth, to many places, but going back in time to re-live any of it, probably not, even emperors died from minor wounds.

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Secret Building Project?

by Mum in

jw
friends

i watch a lot of ex-jw videos on youtube and read many of the comments.

recently, i watched a video by an ex-jw whose videos i had never watched before.

i don't remember his handle.. anyway, there was only one comment posted at the time i watched the video.

Anony Mous

I don’t think there is any value to the underground facility claim, as I said, the style the WTBTS likes to build in requires all facilities to be underground. Bigger buildings require larger setups. Commercial entities generally put things in the building or on the roof, but that requires a lot of highly skilled work and project planning, things commercial entities care about since they pay per hour (30-50% of a building construction cost is materials, the rest is labor). Building it underground gives you lots of time and space to make and fix poor decisions, especially if your workers cost nothing.

Hence why almost every Kingdom Hall has all their utilities under the ground without any access to actually replace them later on. The building is only designed to last 20-25 years and all the things that require a long time to setup are done first, that way they can claim a very “quick” building setup, rivaling that of commercial entities but done entirely by “volunteers”.

But all those people that are supposed to remain silent are skilled people that will work months before the event setting lots of things (water, electric, sewage, HVAC) up, and work months after dedication to fix issues after.

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Secret Building Project?

by Mum in

jw
friends

i watch a lot of ex-jw videos on youtube and read many of the comments.

recently, i watched a video by an ex-jw whose videos i had never watched before.

i don't remember his handle.. anyway, there was only one comment posted at the time i watched the video.

Anony Mous

The WTBTS is always very secretive about their projects initially. Only the most devout dubs are invited to them with the utmost secrecy.
Then once all the prep is done they finish the work “in record time”. Same happened with their compound in Upstate NY, that took literally years to set up. Then once they started all the hard work and logistics was already done.
I don’t know if they still call them quick-builds but having run overnight security for months on end on just one project, it’s not very quick watching concrete cure and builders set up all the underground plumbing and electric before the building gets erected.

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Was / Is God biased ? prejudiced against certain Peoples / Tribes or Nations ?

by smiddy3 in

let me explain :.

after the creation account of the bible, tribes of people and nations began to form and spread around the land.. god first chose noah and his family to protect them as he destroys all others in the flood.. and he ticks off everyone in babel ?

and then he favours abraham and his descendants as the nation of israel culminating in the jewish lineage to jesus the son of god.. he has never had any dealings with any other people`s or nation isn`t that some form of favouritism ?

Anony Mous

Even the writings of Josephus on the subjects are not accepted as being the writing, the references to Jesus were basically scribbled in afterwards.

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Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

by slimboyfat in

have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

have you got any views on the information?

i find it worrying at least.

Anony Mous

@Riley: after my exit of the JW, I did ascend the ranks in academia. Please read the paper:

Omicron differs from the prototype SARS-CoV-2 isolate, Wuhan-Hu-1, by 59 amino acids; 37 of 66 these changes are in the S protein, raising the possibility that S is at the heart of Omicron’s 67 pathogenic and antigenic behavior.

They basically tacitly admit this ancestor isolate (Wuhan-Hu-1) GenBank Host: Homo sapiens Collection Date: 2019-12 Isolation Country: China Organism: Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus is the original species and said isolate is the basis for their research.

That sentence alone debunks the 2 years of gaslighting by NIH/WHO and the media as to the origin of the virus. Not only that, but this is evidence that gain of function research is continuing despite their claims to the contrary, something I personally said on this board I myself was involved in a few months after the pandemic started.

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114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

by Wonderment in

a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

he brought up this juicy source:.

Anony Mous

It is all symbolism (off course). The Babylonians used the 6/12 based number systems and the Jews took that over. 666 and 144 variants show up over and over in both old and New Testament.

144 is simply the prophesied replacement of 666, which we now know is to mean emperor Nero:

6+6+6= 18, 1+8= 9; 1+4+4 = 9.

Since Revelation was largely an anti-Nero pamphlet, we should read it in the sense that the Jews (144000) would be in the place of the Beast (Nero or 666). The writer puts in the warning that the reading is a puzzle and to be shrewd and clever.

The word “Light” in Jewish gematria = 144
Plato and Aristotle taught that the cycle of change is 12x12 or 144 years
Holy Innocents massacred = 144,000 in the Coptic Christian tradition, referenced from Matthew
The length/breadth/height of New Jerusalem is 12,000 Furlongs (12,000 X 12 Tribes) or 144 cubits and the number repeatedly shows up in early Christian architecture.
144,000 variants per genome.
144,000 total lotus petals of the 7 main chakras in Hindu/Eastern religious/spiritual systems.
There are 1,440 minutes in a day.
The 6 days of creation (144 hours).